W4WDA Fall Meeting Minutes Oct 2016

October 16, 2016 Meeting Notes

I. Meeting called to order at 9 am at Wintergreen Resort & Conference Center –
Wisconsin Dells, WI

Reading of Mission Statement – Sam Vandenberg

II. Roll Call – 19 people present

Officers/Board members present:
President – Sam Vandenberg, Region A V.P. – Arnie Miller, Region B V.P. – Orlin Clark, Region C V.P. – Helen Wagner, Secretary – Jan Kasper, Treasurer – Mary Hoernke

Clubs Present:
Borderline 4X4 Trailseekers – Lone Riders 4X4 – 4 Lakes 4-Wheelers, Inc – River City 4-Wheelers – 4X4 Forever, LTD. – Green Bay High Riders, LTD. – Trailgators 4-Wheelers, Inc.

III. Secretary’s Report – accepted as printed

IV. Treasurer’s Report – accepted as printed.

V. Guests: None

VI. Reports:
A. Pipeline – Nothing new
B. Web Page – Jan Kasper to work with Amanda Cottrell to keep website updated.
C. Bylaws/SOP – It has been many years since the bylaws/SOPs have been reviewed. It was decided that a committee should review them and bring back ideas for updating – Volunteers to review include: Amanda Cottrell, Jan Kasper & Helen Wagner
D. S.C.O.R.P. – see Luana;s report out – A survey has been sent out – everyone was encouraged to take the survey to provide feedback regarding the use of the trails by off-road vehicles.
E  . S.T.C. – see Luana’s report out – Tim Duenkel attended in Luana’s place at the August 12, 2016 meeting. A report of the meeting was sent to all W4WDA board, yahoo group and others. If you would like a copy – see Luana.
F. United Four Wheel Drive Association – see Luana’s report out – they will begin having spring and fall webinars to keep the delegates updated. If interested, see Luana.
G. MW4WDA – Nothing to report
H. WOHVA – has agreed to continue to work with W4WDA and will have their spring meeting the same weekend and same venue as W4WDA. Associate membership was discussed, Helen Wagner would like to be involved in the discussion.
I. Membership – Helen is working on an updated pamphlet. Chris sent the app to her for review. Orlin said that he was contacted by someone from the Crandon area that is interested in starting a club.

J. Motorized Recreation Area – see Luana’s report out – Everyone should talk to their local legislators in regard to needing motorized recreation areas that include four wheel drive vehicles such as jeeps, trucks, etc.
K. Rally – Nothing new
L. WORVPI – Nothing new, nothing updated since March.
M. LBR105- Registration/Sticker/Decal Program – see Luana’s report out – nothing new. Luana hopes to work with Tim Duenkel this fall to get this on the right path.

VII. Region Vice Presidents Report
A. There is no more Toys for Toys fund raiser – they suggested that donations be designated for a food shelf during the holiday season.
B. Nothing to Report
C. Titletown Jeepers will have their 2nd Annual Toys for Tots ride on December 3rd, starting in Green Bay and ending in Appleton. Just bring a toy to donate and you will be entered in the raffle, there are thousands of dollars of items to win.
Mary Hoernke made a motion to donate $100 to each region to donate to a locat charity in each region – motion passed.

VIII. Old Business
A. Vehicle Modification Bill – SEMA is fighting this bill – Since it restricts modifications, it could affect off-road vehicles as well as race vehicles. We need to continue to watch this.
B. It was discussed how we could attract people that use social media for everything, such as facebook.
C. Trail specifications – see Luana’s report out – nothing new
D. Huston MN off road park – Orlin said there is no update, it is an ongoing process.
E. Conference Calling, Skype, we need this for the January meeting in case of weather issues.

IX. New Business
A. Any ideas on a location that we could host a Rally or different event? Frontenac Farms is too busy for 2017 to host.
B. Winter Meeting will be at Hidden Waters Golf Course – Waupaca, WI on 1/14/17
C. Spring Convention – April 7 – 9, 2017. WOHVA will host the combined convention this year. More information to follow.
D. WOHVA will be having Tread Lightly do a Tread Lightly Trainer class on April 7, 2017. This is an 8 hour class to certify you as a Tread Lightly Trainer. The cost is $74 per person. If anyone is interested let Tim Duenkel or Sam Vandenberg know.
E. We discussed a new place to go off-roading called Freedom Ridge which is southwest of Gilbert. Information can be found at www.freedomridgerocks.com
F. 2017 Fall Convention – everyone seems to like the Wintergreen Resort in Wisconsin Dells. The dates would be October 20-22, 2017. We should go ahead and book the room if possible.

X. Fall Elections 2016
A. President – Sam Vandenberg- accepted nomination for re-election
Same nominated Gil Wagner, who declined.
White ballot was passed for Sam Vandenberg.
B. Region B VIce President – Orlin Clark – accepted nomination for re-election
Nominations: None
White ballot was passed for Orlin Clark.
C. Region A Assistant Vice President – Nate Odman – declined
Nominations: Bev Miller
White ballot was passed for Bev Miller.
D. Region C Assistant Vice President – Jesse Thompson – decline
Nominations: Gil Wagner
White ballot was passed for Gil Wagner
E. Treasurer – Mary Hoernke – accepted nomination for re-election
Nominations: None
White ballot was passed for Mary Hoernke
F. Secretary – Jan Kasper

XI. Adjourned

W4WDA October 2016 Meeting Notes [511]

National Monument Designaton News

National Monument Designaton News

ORV riders, it is the Upper Peninsula ORV Trail Development Association that laid the groundwork on MANY legislative issues that ORV Riders will be taking advantage of for years. No one has been more PROACTIVE in keeping ORV Riders aware of State and Federal Issues. It was President Clinton that used an early 1900 “Antiquities Act,” by unilaterally (without Congressional approval) shut MANY recreational uses from PUBLIC land by calling this land National Monument land..ie, …Wilderness.

President Obama has designated 553 million acres of land and water as national monuments during his presidency, far more than any other president. Further, in Congressional testimony Secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewell, acknowledged that more designations may be forthcoming before the end of Obama’s second term. President Clinton famously designated nearly 2 million acres in Utah as a National Monument in the closing days of his Administration. These sorts of designations have long lasting impacts and will ultimately lead to restrictions on even the most responsible recreational uses.
it doesn’t matter what you’re political views are, you or your children may someday want to enjoy this PUBLIC Land….either by motorized recreation, mountain biking, or even horseback riding…and you will NOT be allowed access. The ONLY access to National Monument land is via Hiking.

Tell me how many of you are going to be able to hike hundreds of miles into a National Monument area when you are older? Sure some of you will be able too, but do you really think it is fair to shut the majority of the public out of PUBLIC LAND?

It is difficult to do this through Wilderness Designation as that has to go through Congress…but the ‘end around’ to getting PUBLIC LAND shut off from the public is through National Monument Designation.  I wish I had the answer as to what we can do, but one thing you can be assured of is that your UP ORV TDA will keep you informed.

Skip Schulz

UP ORV TDA President

610 Greenland Road

Ontonagon, MI 49953


FALL Convention 2016

Fall meeting/convention will be held at the Wintergreen Resort and Conference Center October 14 – 16, 2016.  This is located in Wisconsin Dells so there is plenty of things to do when not in meetings.  Rooms are $79.00 per night with choice of 2-queen beds or 1-king with sofa and whirlpool.  There is only 12 rooms blocked so please reserve soon so more rooms can be added if needed.  To reserve rooms call (800)-648-4765 press 1 and ask for  MW4WDA block.  I am not planning a dinner unless there is enough requests for one.  Contact Sam Vandenberg with any questions (920)-268-6869 or broncosam1618@yahoo.com.


2016 Spring Convention Flyer


2016 Spring Convention

April 15-17, 2016


Ramada Grand Seasons Hotel (with waterpark)

110 Grand Season Drive.

Waupaca, WI 54981


Special room rates and block valid until March 15th(use code MW4WDA):

Two queen bed room-Occupancy-Single/double$89.99



Friday night hospitality room and registration 6:00 pm. BYOB. Hosting club – 4×4 Forever Ltd.

Saturday: (times subject to change)

9:00 am – 9:15 am W4WDA Board meeting

9:15 am – 12:00 pm W4WDA General Membership meeting

12:00 pm – 1:30 pm Lunch – On your own

1:30 pm – 4:30 pm Seminars and Activities(more details to follow)

5:00pm Cocktails – cash bar

6:00pm Dinner with Program (DJ/door prizes/raffles) – Wear your 4×4 Club apparel.


9:00-11:00am MW4WDA Meeting


Saturday Family Style Dinner Menu

Adults – $22.00 per person – Includes Roasted Chicken and Tender Beef Tips, plated garden salad with dressings, mashed potatoes & gravy, oven baked dressing, hot garden vegetable , dinner rolls and coffee or milk.

Children 3-10 years ($12.00)


Please detach and send payment to W4WDA by April 7, 2016 for meeting and dinner reservation to Mary Hoernke at 203 Gruenwald Ave., Neenah, WI 54956-2040.

Name__________________________________________ # of adult dinner_____($22/PP)

Club Name______________________________________ # of child dinner______($12/PC)

Registration fee is $5.00 per family. Total Due______________

Email for updates______________________­­­_________________________________________

W4WDA Fall 2015 Meeting minutes

Wisconsin 4 Wheel Drive Association

10-17-2015 Fall Meeting

  1. Meeting called to order at: 9:24 a.m.

Reading of Mission Statement.

  1. Roll Call 27 people present.

Officers/Board members present.

President-Sam Vandenberg, Region A V.P.-Arnold Miller, Region C V.P.-Helen Wagner, Region C                                             Assistant V.P.-Jesse Thompson, State Director-Luana Schneider.

Clubs present.

Borderline 4×4 Trail Seekers – Loan Riders 4×4 – 4 Lakes 4 Wheelers – Road Side 4 wheelers – 4×4        Forever Ltd. – Green Bay High Riders Ltd. – Trail Gators 4 Wheeler Inc.

III. Secretary’s report – accepted as printed.

  1. Treasury report – Mary not present – Report accepted as printed.
  2. No Guests
  3. Reports
  4. Pipe line – does not open until June 1. No clean-up efforts this year – not much left to wheel on – just mud holes left now
  5. Jesse registered the w4wda.com domain name – it is being forwarded to the w4wda.org site – the association voted to reimburse Jess for the 3 year registration of $155

Discussed e-mails to the membership for spreading the word about the meetings and conventions

Noted that not everyone had e-mail access and that a text notification may help

  1. Bylaws/SOP – nothing.
  2. S.C.O.R.P. – Grants may have been elliminated.
  3.  State Trails Council – minutes are posted on the website – noted that 2 key people on the committee that we’ve worked with have recently retired – these folks were up to speed on our 4 wheel drive needs – we’ll need to rebuild this relationship and educate the now members when they come onboard – no ETA on replacements – budget constraints may be a factor in this – mentioned the DNR needs to setup a road inventory – this is both paved and 2 track primitive roads – some discussion was had on the width of trails – this may eliminate our ability to be allowed on some of the trails due to vehicle size – all of these roads need to go through a master plan to identify the trail and accessibility for each trail –

Noted that there has been a lot of push back on the Sauk Prairie recreation area for anything motorized – this has even gotten to the point where a local rocketry club is being shot down… to use the area for rocket launching a few times a year.

Some discussions was had around leaving a foot print on the trails that we ride on – we need to be able to fund our sport and bringing in revenue to help repair and maintain trails –

Discussed that we may need to consider on “focus points” – No one person can do this alone – The group needs to support efforts and pitch in – if we just talk about stuff – nothing will really get done – There was a lot of “passion” bubbling up around working towards getting/keeping trails open

I will say that there was a lot of valid points made – not everyone wanted to hear these comments and observations – then again – this is not the first time these points have been made – nobody is grabbing the torch and running with it – this is the

Helen made a request that we come up with 5 focus points for the January meeting – we can review this ideas and pick 3 and run with them.

Luana would like to see that no more trails are closed on forest land – while this is not entirely possible – if we peruse this goal we can retain some % of open trails –   Also – we need to take advantage of funds like RTP and find ways to use this to better the sport.

  1. United Four Wheel Drive Association – Nothing.
  2. MW4WDA – nothing.
  3. WOHVA – they have secured 3 more years of events at Mole lake – so there will be at least 2 events a year on the property – the jamboree and GNTR – This year’s GNTR had a good turn out – noted that Jon is working towards getting more trails open on the property – this would allow for spreading out the trucks and keeping the trails in better condition – this could then allow for more events on the property.

Looking at moving towards a more focused goal between the WOHVA and W4WDA.  We hope to be able to join up with them for convention at some point – hopefully next year we can make this happen.

  1. Helen will be sending out a membership packet to Title Town Jeepers – they may be looking to join WI
  2. Lake States resource alliance has disbanded – funds were dispersed out to several different groups – W4WDA was not a recipient (Tax status has a play on that)
  3. Sauk Praire Recreation Area – Noted that there has been a lot of push back on the Sauk Prairie recreation area for anything motorized – this has even gotten to the point where a local rocketry club is being shot down… to use the area for rocket launching a few times a year.
  4. MRA – Luana reviewed what the MRA is responsible for – no new news on from the MRA
  5. Jesse and Joel will look into a Rally for 4 wheel to heal for Wisconsin – will need to head up the committee again to move this forward.

A proposal was made have an event or a convention at the Farm in Red Wing MN $40 a vehicle is the minim and we need to have 15 trucks – we would need to charge more to cover the additional insurance that the W4WDA would be responsible for if we decide to take in money for the association or a charity  –  would like to get a more formal proposal for January.

  1. WORVPI – nothing.
  2. AB369(Sticker/decal program) – Needs to be re-introduced.

VII. Region Vice President Reports

  1. Arnold Miller – Toys for Tots October 24 at Frontenac Farms, $25/truck + toy.
  2. Orlin Clark – Orlin and Ginny are celebrating their 50th anniversary.
  3. Helen Wagner – 4×4 Forever had a fund raiser for Old Glory Honor Flights, and volunteered at last Quarry Quest Charity event.

VIII. Break

  1. Old Business
  2. Winter meeting will be at Hidden Waters  Golf Course,  E4480 State Road 22-54  Waupaca, WI 54983 on January 9, 2016. Board meeting at 8:45am, membership meeting at 9:00am.  There will be a Pot Luck Lunch, W4WDA will provide sloppy joe and everyone else is asked to bring a dish.  (Anyone remember who was going to handle the sloppy joe?).  Arnold and Bev donated speakers and we will be setting up conference calling or skype for the meeting.
  3.   Spring Convention – Spring Convention is being hosted by 4×4 Forever Ltd. and will be at the Ramada Grand Seasons Hotel in Waupaca, WI(110 Grand Seasons Dr, Waupaca, WI 54981. 1-715-258-9212)Room rates are $89.99/night use code MW4WDA when reserving rooms.  on April 15-17, 2016. More info has been sent out and more will be.
  4. Trail Specifications requested by DNR – had seperate group meeting to discuss this.
  5. Houston Park is still moving forward – all land/property studies are completed and the town is all on-board. There is a new private park in MN that recently opened – that same group is planning on opening another private park near Houston http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/ohv/difficulty.html
  6. Conference Calling/Skype – Arny and Bev Miller donated speakers to use for this.  Will be tried at Winter meeting.
  7. New Business
  8. Any ideas where to host 4-wheel-to-heal or another event,  Let Jesse Thompson know.

   B. MW4WDA Fall 2016 Convention will be held at the Wintergreen Resort and Conference Center in the Wisconsin Dells again on October 16, 2016.  Sam Vandenberg will be handling this again.  room rates are $79.00/night.  100 North Gasser Road  (or 100 Gasser Road),  Wisconsin Dells, Wisconsin  53965. 608-254-2285

 XI. Fall Election Results

   A. Region A Vice President – Arnold Miller

   B. Region B Assistant Vice President – Dave Bahr

   C. Region C Vice President – Helen Wagner

   D. Secretary –  Vacant, no nominations

Elections for fall 2016

   President – Sam Vandenberg

   Region B Vice President – Orlin Clark

   Region A Assistant Vice President – Nate Odman

   Region C Assistant Vice President – Jesse Thompson

   Treasurer – Mary Hoernke

   Secretary – Jan Kasper

XIII. Meeting Adjourned at 11:42am.

Does anyone know where the W4WDA banner/flag is?

Thank you Jesse for taking notes and video of the meeting.

Thank you to Jan Kasper for stepping up and volunteering to take the Secretary position later Saturday night after the meeting.

Fall Convention 2015

Fall meeting/convention will be held at the Wintergreen Resort and Conference Center October 16 – 18, 2015.  This is located in Wisconsin Dells so there is plenty of things to do when not in meetings.  Rooms are $79.00 per night with choice of 2-queen beds or 1-king with sofa and whirlpool.  There is only 12 rooms blocked so please reserve soon so more rooms can be added if needed.  To reserve rooms call (800)-648-4765 press 1 and ask for  MW4WDA block.  I am not planning a dinner unless there is enough requests for one.  Contact Sam Vandenberg with any questions (920)-268-6869 or broncosam1618@yahoo.com.

2015 W4WDA Spring Convention meeting minutes

Thank you Jesse Thompson for taking notes.

Wisconsin Spring Convection 4-18-2015

Board Meeting

No changes to memos or notes

Board meeting called to order at 9:08

Board meeting closed at 9:11


Meet started at 9:15

Roll Call taken

Officers/Board present – Sam Vandenberg, Arnold Miller, Orlin Clark, Dave Bahr, Helen Wagner, Jesse Thompson, Luana Schneider.

Clubs present – Borderline 4×4 Trailseekers, Lone Riders 4×4, 4 Lakes 4-Wheelers, River City 4-Wheelers, Burr Oak Off-Road Machines, 4×4 Forever LTD., Green Bay High Riders LTD., Trailgators 4-Wheelers Inc., Twin City Bushwackers,

Secretary’s report –  Was accepted as printed. Still need someone to fill this position.

Treasures report – Was accepted as printed

One question on printing expenses came up – this was for membership cards – we received about 3000 cards that should last us for then several years.

Guests –  Karl Miller was present he is the president from a local ATV organization.  He is here to learn more about us and see how we can work together   Jacksoncountyatv.org is his club site – the local trails here are wide enough for UTV with about a 60” width mark.  They have been working with the county to make the trails even wider.  Noted that trail width is actually up to the local county.  Most areas have been opened up to 60”

Pipeline – Opens up on June 1st – most of it’s closed at this point

Webpage – Noted that Jesse will look wi4wda.org and check to see if we can purchase it.  If you want anything posted on the site – send it to Amanda C.

STC –  next meeting is April 27th in Fitchburg on 3911 fish hatcher road

It was noted in the budget that “all roads” must be classified.  Whether it is off-road, trail, or road. Currently they need to classify the type of roads.  It was mentioned by Luana that the DNR has termed the type of trail/road that we want to ride on as “Nature Based”.  This classification is all being done by the DNR with no input from other areas.  The Park and Recreation group was unaware that this road classification action was happening

MW4WDA – No claims have been filed this year – the insurance dues did go up about $300 this year.

WOHVA – Will be hosting the GNT and Jeep Jamboree rides – also looking at an event for wounded worriers – this is 4 wheel to heal This event will be held the 1st of August.  John Lewins has been nominated as the CEO of WohVA.

Joel noted that they need volunteers as well have veterans to attend the event. The cost will be $50 and this includes lunch and dinner.  It was noted that some people will need rides and others will bring their own.  To do the ride along will require a spill kit.  This is a one-day event.

A motion was made to provide up to $600 dollars towards the efforts of this event.  This motion was passed – the money will need final approval from the board.

Volunteers would not need to pay a fee as long they do not ride on the trails.  This event is not open to the public – it is for the veterans – our participation will be to provide them with rides.

There will be pre-registration for the event and most likely close down in mid-July.

Membership – No new clubs or news at this time

LSAR – There will be a meeting in July to determine who it will be dissolved and where the funds will be disburse.  W4WDA has request some of the funds be allotted to us.  The tax status with LSAR may impact the way this distribution can be handled.  They are a 501c3 and it sounds like the funds can only be transferred to another 501c3 organization

Sauk Prairie – April 11th the roads will be open for travel. There also a lot of turmoil around the use of this land – several organization would like this to be none motorized and on the other side many organizations want trails. It was noted that there is some sections in the area that are suitable for moderate trail use for your average 4 wheel drive vehicle.

MRA – No new news at this time.

Region Reports

Region A:  Discussed the phone conference from last month and that we’ll use it going forward

Region B: Nothing significant to report

Region C: Nothing new to report – Contact Hellen if you need to call a Region C Meeting

Old Business

Fall meeting/convention will be held at the Wintergreen Resort and Conference Center October 16 – 18, 2015.  This is located in Wisconsin Dells so there is plenty of things to do when not in meetings.  Rooms are $79.00 per night with choice of 2-queen beds or 1-king with sofa and whirlpool.  There is only 12 rooms blocked so please reserve soon so more rooms can be added if needed.  To reserve rooms call (800)-648-4765 press 1 and ask for  MW4WDA block.  I am not planning a dinner unless there is enough requests for one.  Contact Sam Vandenberg with any questions (920)-268-6869 or broncosam1618@yahoo.com.

Winter meeting is January 9th at the Waupaca hidden waters golf resort.

Trail specifications – Luana – gave overview of what we would like for trails.  We are being asked to provide more bullet points of what we need.  It is difficult to explain to non-trail riding folks on what type of trails we like to wheel on.


John Schnorr called into the meeting at 10:42

Jon Schnorr will be giving an overview

Forest County continues to make progress at a snail’s pace.  The informed decisions process has taking a long time.  This has been dragging on since December.  There has been some interest by some private individuals to help with the park.  John discussed some other options that will be looked at to keep this project moving.  There are also other areas in Wisconsin that are being looked at. Currently working with the county governments’.  The other counties are interested and they are currently working to develop relationships with the townships.  The potential for success in these other areas is much greater in these areas, however this would be less acreage than the planned 10000 acres.  It was discussed that there was an allocation in the state budget for funding by the government, however forest county did not take advantage of this.  Today the land generates about $10 an acre.  The park would make this jump up to about $138 an acre.  This is across all forest land, not just the park land.

Sticker Program – The legislation for the sticker program is dead.  This would not to basically start all over again.  There was also not enough support for it.  It does not sound like anyone will be picking this backup up.

New Business

Luanna reviewed the news spot for the usage of trails.  This included horses on the trails and winching activities.  This ride consisted of 6 vehicles and a news report filming the event.  The news spot is out on the YouTube if you want to watch it

Update on Huston MN off road park – Orlin

The park is progressing at a good pace at this point.  They have had a few issues along the way but have able to work past them.  Everything is still in progress and have local support.  They continue to buy more land.  It is approaching about 700 acres at this time.

Spring Convention 2016 will be held at the Ramada Grand Seasons Hotel in Waupaca April 15-17, 2016. 4×4 Forever will be hosting the 2016 Spring Convention – Jesse handed out flyers to “save the date.”  It was discussed that there is interest in doing this convention together with WHOVA.  John Lewins has been contacted and will be bringing it up to the WOHVA board next month. More details to come as discussions are had.

Was noted to have Mary provide and updated membership list so we can update the e-mail lists.

Talked about engaging Crandon to see if we can possibly hold some sort of event at the raceway since they now have additional trails and a rock crawling section.  I can look out to see if Chris, Brian, or John to see if they have any contacts or information around this.


It was brought up that people need to register for stuff earlier so there is no last minute issues with attendance at events.

Fall Elections

Region A Vice President:  Arnold Miller -yes

Region B Assistant Vice President: Dave Bahr – yes

Region C Vice President:  Helen Wagner – yes

Secretary – still vacant

Meeting adjourned at 11:31 a.m